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Intro: Welcome to the Share the Wealth Show, where minority professionals can learn to escape the racial wealth gap and catapult themselves into abundance. Your host, Nicole Pendergrass, grew her net worth from being negative to multiple six figures. Join her on her investigative mission to expose secret strategies of the wealthy so we can all have the tools needed to build the life and legacy we were created to possess. Now it’s time for the show.

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Nicole: And I think, um, or the first project, yes, I needed a lot of help with underwriting. I reached out to my mentors a few times. Like there was the first project was definitely a typical mom and pop. And that’s where the value really is. But then guess what? When you’re underwriting and you’re looking at information, you don’t have a clean little, um, operating memorandum to look at. You don’t have something a broker put together with all the pictures and all the rents and the T 12 there’s none of that. So it’s kind of like, how do you move forward with the deal confidently when you have no numbers to really even kind of assess your performace? Because even our pro forma’s were off with what we were going to do. What was going to bring in in the future? Like what the rents per unit were like, just a lot of stuff. Actually it was a good time with that too, because COVID have been pushing rents up. So we were getting a little bit higher rents faster than what we thought at the very beginning. But as far as turning units like that, our first one was a beast in that first like six, seven, eight months, it was really, really hard getting like just staying on everything. And you know, like me, I like to do, they, our property manager gives us a T12 and gives us the, the cash, like accounting and all this stuff, but I would still take that and make my own spreadsheets. Like I need to see it myself in my own other space. I’m making all this other work for me. And that might be a newbie thing, but, but that was how I could see the numbers and understand and really like dig in because it forced me to do that. But so however you need to do it when you’re anybody listening is looking to get into real estate, you know, always. Trust but verify. So if that’s your way to verify and then to move forward, especially in a deal that doesn’t have a lot of concrete numbers around it, that’s where having a partner who’s experienced, and I’ve tell this people this all the time too, is like, I got just lucky with the partner that I had, not only was he more experienced, but he also already had the team set up. So I walked into a preexisting team of like property manager, lender, property management is vertically integrated with construction. A lot of like growing pains with that too, because I had to learn how they worked and not rock the boat too much or I didn’t want to rock the boat too much, but I still wanted to. Have some of my expectations met so there’s a fine line there, but you, you have to give and take like either you put that all together yourself or with someone who doesn’t have it together or. You if you partner with somebody who has some of those other assets already like in place and that team in place, then you can kind of just facilitate and move in and now you all grow and build this relationship together. What I wanted to ask too is what are some of the systems and when you were abroad that you, what was it like the most important things for you to set up to be able to start systematizing, maybe automating your investing journey in Pennsylvania while you’re in London?

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Christian: Yeah, so a good question. So one was, you know, At the time, really the most important thing for me was identifying what are the key parameters that can be identified really quickly to allow you to make decisions without what I would say overthinking or paralysis by analysis. Because at the time it was a really hot market. And a lot of people were getting into position where they were taking days, sometimes weeks to go back and… you know, and perform, you know, multiple phases of due diligence or go by and run, run the, you know, spend the days running the numbers and go back, take it to their mastermind when, when these deals need to be put on their contract quickly. So one of the things that I really made a priority for me was being able to, uh, one, look at a lot of deals, look at a lot of deals. And when the one comes along that you, that you know, you’ll see the block the neighborhood, the type of property, the number of rooms, the approximate square footage and the sales price. And you’ll know. And you won’t really need to run the full gamut of numbers to know this is a deal. I’ve been looking at the trade price, either per unit or per building for these units, and I’m below. And that happened to me twice in a four or five month period whereby I had been looking at the trade price for 2s and 3s and 5s and 6 unit properties. And within a matter of months, I saw two 6 unit properties come up for $360,000, so $60,000 a unit. Now, at the time, this wasn’t dramatically below market going rate at a per unit price, but it was lower than what other people were paying. And when you can understand the trade price, you understand that there’s equity in there that can immediately get you some sort of payback just for being the first one in the door and being able to close. But I would definitely say that building that into your plan and being able to identify and work with a really good broker, broker of record who’s able to move quickly and get you and your deal offered before other people. That was really for me the number one thing that one, the broker trusted me and my financing to be able to close so that they would put my offer in first before anybody else, but that they knew that where I was getting in at what price was going to be a deal that one day would wanna manage and the bank would finance. So for me, those were some of the kind of most important key systems that I was putting in place from overseas. It allowed me to be successful at a time when everybody was interested in buying, but people couldn’t move quickly enough to be the one to close on a deal that many eyes may have seen. Um, but by the time that they had seen it and run their numbers, I was already under contract.

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Nicole: Yeah. And I agree. Like when we saw the six unit for 60 a door, I want to say, I don’t know, trade price off the top of my head during that time, but I know listing price was at least like 90 to a hundred a door And we just went ahead and straight offered the 60 a door. We didn’t discount, we offered it full asking, but we realized we won that contract because the couple of other offers that were in were all under the 60 a door. So we kind of just had confidence even without the numbers. And at the end of the day, we were like, okay, well, we still have time to analyze, but we need to get this under contract now. And then if we analyze and we find some super huge, big red flag, we could always pull out of the contract. If Absolutely necessary, but luckily that didn’t really happen. And then also, so the main systems is analyzing, looking at a lot of properties and just making sure you kind of know what’s going on. You know the market, like you’re saying, you look at the address, you know what cross street that is, you know what neighborhood that is, you know the price per door. So that all comes with learning your market very intensely and like going deep into the market. So that’s one thing that I tell every people all the time is a lot of new investors will say, oh, I invest nationwide. And they don’t want to block out any opportunities because, you know, oh, something’s in Tennessee and then something’s in Arkansas and something’s in Pennsylvania. And like they’re analyzing all of these, but you don’t know the market. And that can be a huge differentiator and how that project is going to perform after you close. And so I think learning the market and analyzing, looking at properties all the time, and then you said getting a really good broker who can just like put in offers quickly. Um, now how do you, or how did you, or how do you vet a broker or someone else on your team to make sure that they are just going to be a really good, a team type of player?

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Christian: Yeah. So another really good question. I, I feel like, um, speaking to a couple of competitors, I think what you can, you can understand. There are some people who are in it for themselves. They’re salespeople. They’re trying to sell you something so that they can make money off of you. And you’ll learn who has ulterior motives pretty well if you have an eye for people and you know how to read a room and you understand when you’re being sold something. I think that, you know ,trusting your emotional intelligence when you feel like you’re being sold or you feel like you’re being forced into something or you’re uncomfortable, you probably are. So I think that that is one of the big ones.

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Christian:  The other one is people who are not afraid to tell you the truth, even though when it’s not something that you necessarily want to hear. I think that that’s a good partner. Somebody who will tell you that your expectations are either out of reach or not achievable. Those sorts of partners are worth their weight in gold. You don’t wanna be in with somebody who’s just looking to make money on a close and managing your property, right? Like you want, and that’s one of the things too that I felt like was a really good selling point for the company that we ended up partnering with was that they weren’t just there on the front end being a member of the buying agency, it was going to be their project to manage on the backend. So they knew that if we bought improperly, that we were going to end up with a problem property with upset clients who are going to be dealing with them having closed on the property, now being upset at how it’s being managed and the costs associated with doing so. So that I think gives you a little bit more of a longer range view and people willing to invest their time in you. I think that that’s another one. I do believe also that there is some third party vetting that you can do. And I can tell that from one of the experiences that I had when I started to go out and look at financing for the first property that I bought in the Lehigh Valley with this management company, I went out and I was interviewing banks. They were interviewing me obviously to see if we could make the deal work and one of the lenders, you know, who unprompted and unsolicited, who had not done many deals with this, with this property management, this brokerage before, told me that he said, listen, I got this loan approved for you. So you’re going to be okay to close on this property. I’m letting you now know that if we weren’t working with, with this firm, with this, this property management company, probably wouldn’t have gone through. And what that showed me, was that the banks, the local banks doing their vetting as well, verified what I had been finding in my interview process and gave me a lot of feedback that, again, validated the work that I had been doing to vet this broker, this property management company.

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Nicole: Yeah. That’s very, very insightful because honestly, that’s something that you hear. a lot about like if you’re in the right rooms and right groups and people are talking, like especially experienced investors talking about the importance of the team and people knowing each other and especially with local community banks, having somebody on the team that’s local like you hear that a lot. And so people need to make sure like even with me looking to expand into another market, I’m looking at markets down south. But at the same time, I already wanted to have boots on the ground because I know I can’t always get there. But at the same time, now that boots on the ground is also gonna serve with being able to get financing for that deal if I’m going to a local lender. So that’s just all these little working together pieces. And it’s another thing that I told my mentorship group when they’re vetting team members and looking for team members to make sure that just when you’re asking somebody questions, ask them who else do they know? Like what brokers do you know? What lenders do you know? Because then now, you know, A people work with other A people. So they probably know other really good operators for that other industry. And they also wouldn’t already work together. So there’s already a relationship there. So you’re like getting connected with two people who already know each other and already work together in the market. So that’s kind of what happened here with, you know, and I don’t know if our lender was already working with our property management company before, but the way they worked together so seamlessly now, you would think that they had been working together like for years before we came along.

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Christian: It wasn’t always that way. In fact, I was my first property that we did with them was one of his first projects with them. So it wasn’t too long before. Um, but again, that was one way that I was able to begin and kind of snowball the process of, of making a team. And I saw how smoothly they worked together from then on and now he’s writing most of the loans that they bring on, on, on small multifamily properties.

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Nicole: Yes. Okay. Why did you want to come on this show and tell your story and, and explain like your journey and all that you’ve given so much insight. It’s been a really good conversation, but I know that you are also in line with the mission of share the wealth show. And is there anything behind that, like where did that come from?

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Christian: Yeah. So I know, and I felt like, I said this to you, I was like, Nicole, why am I not coming to your podcast? Why aren’t you inviting me on your podcast? Like, and I had to keep bugging you. I was just like, I hear about you talking about me and our products all the time. And I’m like, why am I not getting invited on the Build, Grow and Protect Minority Wealth podcast? So to address the health in the room, right? I’m not a minority. If you couldn’t hear it in my voice. And, you know, this is something that, you know, maybe I haven’t shared with you either, is that, you know, from the outside, people would say that, you know, I grew up in a mixed-race family. My youngest sister, Delilah, is Hispanic, and she actually grew up in Brooklyn. And so, growing up, I got to see what it was like for my family, right? The one that we described that kind of looked like the Brady Bunch. Bringing somebody in who came from such a different background. She’s now my sister, she’s 28 years old. She’s doing fantastic things for our family, helping to look after all of the grandkids. And she’s been able to create a life for herself through what my family was able to put together, the sacrifices that my parents made And it wasn’t necessarily always a goal for my family, you know, to adopt, you know, somebody who didn’t look like us. It wasn’t like that was on the top of the list. It just happened to be, right? That was just, you know, what came our way. And with open minds and open hearts, we were there when, you know, when God presented us the opportunity to help someone else. And along the way that really helped form a lot of my family’s long-term goals. So my younger sister, Delilah, was in and out of psychiatrists and psychologists all throughout her childhood, dealing with traumas that she had been through as a child. She came to us when she was about six years old and experienced a lot of horrible things that children should never have to experience. And through that, my older sister, ended up going into the field of child psychiatry, right? That’s her gift that she gives back in that way. And not being the smarter one of the family, I wasn’t able to do that. That wasn’t going to be my gift to the world. And I felt like there was always some sort of call for me to be able to be a part of something. I know a lot of times there’s this kind of mentality you know, if you’re, you know, if you’re a white man, you need to just sit down and listen, right. And to those people, right, I would say that, you know, I’ve been able to build, you know, to, you know, woman owned, black owned, you know, minority owned LLCs, creating generational wealth for people who, you know, your grandchildren probably will never know my name because I’m not on TikTok and I’m not an influencer, but somehow. Somehow I’ve been able to have some small impact on their lives. You know, and through all of this, I’ve grown so, so much. It’s been amazing watching, you know, your journey from the person who wasn’t sure if they wanted to jump in on this deal to being, you know, such a force in the community for, for growing and protecting minority wealth. It’s been amazing for me to, you know, tangentially maybe behind the scenes a little bit, be a part of it. And one of the things that I’m really terrible at is self marketing and telling my own story. And in the last year, I made a challenge to myself to be a more authentic version of me and who I am. And so that pressed me into, you know, Christian, tell your story be more open with people, be vulnerable, and be willing to share with people, you know, why it is that you do the things that you do, and give them a purpose and a reason behind it. I think there’s a really great quote from Mother Teresa that says, if there is no peace in this world, it’s because we have forgotten that we belong to each other. And for me, That’s one of the things that I, you know, I wake up in the morning, I try and think about and meditate on. And I really believe that because we are all a community of people, we all belong to each other, there’s only good things for us in the future when we work more closely together. I believe that that spans races, ethnicities, religions, and I think that there’s ways that we can better ourselves and better humanity by working more closely together. And maybe that was my calling.

Nicole Pendergrass: Oh, I just want to give you a big virtual hug right now.

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Nicole: You know what? We’ve never met in person. That’s correct people we have never met in person. We’ve been working together for a few years now. Three years, three years, more than that. No, 2020. No, because we met in the summer. So three years, good three years. Yeah, just before COVID just yeah, a little bit. Yeah, because we closed the we closed the first one in 2020, December 2020. And I know we have met like maybe that summer. But it was that summer that we started talking. Yeah, we started talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wow, good three years. And we still have not met. We keep like being so close. Like I couldn’t come, oh my gosh, I’m so mad still. That was just so, so inconvenient. I could not make that happen. Oh, he was speaking, guys. He was speaking at a meetup locally in Lehigh Valley, but it’s like the middle of the week, like at six o’clock. So even if I was getting off of work, that is just like- It was for locals. It was driving there, driving back that same night. Y’all know where- I could never find parking. I can’t find parking at a regular time of the day. Like I would have been driving. You know what, you know, probably scarred me. One time I did do that when I was for my very first time going out to Lehigh Valley and I went to a meetup in the middle of the week, but I was on maternity leave. That’s why I didn’t care about like, I didn’t have to go to work the next day. So I went in the middle of the week and I drove back like driving there and driving back the same day is also very hard for me because I am a two hour max car kind of person. So that’s two hours getting there, but then I’m going to be up all this time and then drive back late at night. Another two hours like driving at night. But any case I got back that night. I was driving around for probably another two hours looking for a parking spot. There was nothing, not all the meters were taken, like every spot. I pulled over the side of the car and I cried on the side of the road. Like, I just want to go in the house and go to sleep. And I just wanted to find a police officer. So I could say, police officer, please let me park my car here so I can go to sleep. Don’t give me a ticket. Like I was so desperate. Now I want to give you, I want to give you a bit raining. And I was just like, Oh my God, I just want to, I don’t know. I don’t know what I did. I don’t know where I found parking. I might’ve just parked in front of a hydrant just cause I didn’t care anymore. At that point. I was like, whatever tip the ticket is, I’ll just take it. I don’t remember what I did. I can’t say that that’s what happened. Cause I really, I guess I was traumatized and blocked that out of my brain. And I was like, I can’t do that on a work night. I would be calling out two days in a row. Just, okay. So sorry, my little, my little moment, but this is the kind of stuff that people, if you want to get into real estate, I’m not saying that that has to be your story or your journey, but sometimes you’ve got to do the uncomfortable things and you got to deal with stuff when, you know, when it’s not convenient to make it happen. Right. You just got to get outside that box and do things that are uncomfortable. So anyway, yes, but that’s my little sob story. Anything else I’m about to ask you the last questions that I ask every guest, anything else you wanted to share about like your story, your journey, your mindset, you’ve really given a lot, a lot of information. This is such a great conversation. I think people are gonna get so much value out of it. Actually, I don’t think I know they’re going to.

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Christian: Well, I hope so. Honestly, it’s been great. I mentioned just listening and being a part of your community has really enriched me. So if you haven’t already, follow, like, subscribe. This is the only place that you can get Nicole Pendergrass and you can help to build, grow, and protect minority wealth. Join the mission. Be a part. Do your thing. Hit a like button, follow and subscribe.

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Nicole: Thank you. I forget to do that or I’m rushing it in at the last minute because I’m just so it like engrossed into the conversation. And I’m like, Oh, I’m supposed to ask people to subscribe or to rate us or review or whatever, like if you’re watching on YouTube or you’re listening on the podcast. Okay. Everyone you heard Christian say it and Mr. C bear himself has said it. So you have to comply with his bear claws will come out and get you.

Okay, Warren Buffett said that diversification is protection against ignorance. What do you think he means by that? And do you agree?

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Christian:  So I’d like to preface this by saying, and no offense to any of the guests on your show, but Warren Buffett is a better investor than maybe anyone in history, and so there’s a lot to be gleaned from this and I don’t find it to be that controversial. You can be an expert in a market, you can be an expert in investment, you can be an expert in a piece of technology, but no one has a crystal ball. Diversification not only helps to avoid the major pitfalls that come along with, you know, the unforeseen, but it also protects you against not being invested in something that goes to the moon. Right? Like there’s, there’s a protection there that people think of. They’re like, oh, well, I’m not going to lose any money on this deal, but don’t think about the other deal that’s going to, you know,10X, 100X, 1000X that you’re not investing in because you don’t like diversification. I personally believe, I believe in it very strongly. I am heavily invested in real estate, but I’m heavily invested in real estate in multiple markets and multiple properties that allows me to be diverse enough for my personal profile. People need to understand their own personal risk profile, what they’re willing to accept and then make the best decisions based on that.

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Nicole: Amen. Couldn’t say that better myself. Like you’re diversified within one asset class. So you’re still, and it just depends on what you’re going, what you want and what your profile is, what’s the end goal. Like you want cashflow, you want net worth, like, you know, all the things because even if you’re invested in real estate and, and in multiple, um, different buildings, if the market goes down, you still get the same cashflow. Like your net worth might go down a little bit, but you’re still diversified in cash or maybe some markets, the rents go down a little bit. Maybe some they go up like rents don’t necessarily always correlate with real estate housing values. So I do, I do like that anyway. These are your short answers, not my input. Okay. In the game of Monopoly boardwalk or Baltic, you play Monopoly before.

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Christian: Huge Monopoly fan. Um, I, I had a lot to say, I’ll try not to make this a lengthy answer. Uh, by the way, I want to hear all the process behind because I know that that the game correlates to real life. So John Casmon was the only one to get this right in all of your podcasts guests. So you tell them I said that you have not listened to all of them. No, there’s one guy who got it right. So what he said was there are many, many strategies for getting it right in the game of Monopoly. And it is not necessarily Baltic or Boardwalk. He likes those kind of orange kind of purple and orange properties over on the side. Yeah. That’s the right answer because statistically speaking, those properties are the ones that get landed on the most in game Monopoly. Why is that? Because people get sent to jail. They end up back on that side of the board statistically more often than they end up in Boardwalk and they get landed on where you can again be in a position to collect on the spaces that get landed on the most. Now that’s overthinking it. And that was too easy of an answer. And that’s why I didn’t say with what property or monopoly board you’re going to buy first. I gave two specifics because if I said the middle, everybody would say the middle. Absolutely. So, so, and like I said, without trying to over, you know, overcomplicate the question, um, I’m certainly in a place where I recognize the value of both a Baltic and a boardwalk. And I recognize that in the game of Monopoly, you don’t necessarily need boardwalk to win. In fact, many people who have boardwalk are not the winners. You cannot win with Baltic. That is at the end of the game, you’re never bankrupting the last player on Baltic. So if you think of it that way, right? Baltic is a stepping stone. It is a place to begin. It is the first step on your journey to building your financial freedom, your wealth, your generational wealth, whatever it is that you’re after. Right now where I am is I’m hopefully somewhere in the middle somewhere else, but you can’t win with Baltic. You got to go further in the game.

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Nicole: That I believe my friend is the best answer I’ve heard. Sorry to all my other guests. I love you all. I think that’s the best answer I’ve heard. Love it. Congratulations. You get the crown for that. If I could put a crown emoji on your head here. Okay. What does wealth mean to you?

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Christian: So I did mention this earlier. Um, you know, for me it’s, it’s freedom from, from care and worry and the ability to give back. Um, I do believe that right now I am, I am blessed beyond measure with, with, with wealth. Um, I have my health, my family’s we’re expecting our third child in November. By every measure, I have a strong financial future ahead of me. I’m wealthy. I think that people look at the future and think of wealth. And I think that there’s an opportunity for more people to stop and look at what they have, take count of their experiences where they’ve been and recognize the wealth that they have in their life right now. Um, and I truly believe that many people would say that, you know, by every measure of standard across the entire globe, that right now today I’m, I’m a very wealthy man. And, and I think that that’s something that I’ve been trying to be again, more conscious of in this new year for me.

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Nicole: Yeah. Same here. Cause I was asking myself that, that same question. I don’t know why I was thinking about it just the other day. Um, but I was, I was thinking, yeah, you know what I am. I might not, I may still have more goals. I might not be exactly where I want to be, but I’m still very wealthy today. I have so much to be grateful for and so much that a lot of, I’ve just made some progress in my life, right? So I definitely can say that I’m wealthy. So I love that. The last guest left a question for you. And so this question is, what is the one thing you’ve been scared or hesitant to do like whatever kind of, you’ve had analysis paralysis around, that you know would be a huge benefit to your life.

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Christian: So this kind of goes back to the baby steps that I’ve been making in putting myself out there. I think knowing myself pretty well at this point, I care a lot about what people think of me, probably too much. And for that reason, I’ve been very guarded with what people see. I’ve been very restricted in what gets posted on social media. I’ve been afraid to talk about real estate at work. I haven’t posted anywhere about anything that I’ve been doing. And for that reason, there’s no social media following. Your people can’t follow me on any sort of social media platform except LinkedIn. So for me, the thing that has been holding me back, I feel, has been the willingness to be open to criticism. And that’s been where I’ve been trying to take baby steps, to be more open and be more authentically myself, you know, both in, in, you know, in my personal life, um, in, in, in real estate and, you know, at work in my faith life, all of these things have been something that I’ve guarded very closely. Um, and in this, you know, again, where I’ve been trying to set goals for myself, I’m trying to be a little bit more open to that.

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Nicole: Nice. And this is one of the first steps. Actually, your email that you sent out. I love that. It was very authentic and very just like relatable and a great conversation. It didn’t sound salesy. It was just like letting people know what you’re doing. Like he sent a wonderful email out. And of course I got it because I’m his partner. And it just was really well laid out. And I thought to myself when I read it, I said, Oh, I need to send more emails like that is just so personable. But in any case, great job. And so now. You are doing this podcast and putting yourself out there more. So congratulations on that. And this was fantastic episode. Um, so in, in turn, I need you to come up with a question for the next guest.

[00:36:55 – 00:37:42]

Christian: Okay. So I, I, I like, um, I really liked the grant card on quote, get yourself some big problems, right? Like if you’ve been ever listening to anything that that man puts out there, right, you know, he, he makes it seem so effortless and so easy. We all know it’s not right. The rest of us out there grinding know that. It doesn’t happen like that for everyone. But I will say, go and get yourself some big problems. So to your next podcast guest, what big problems do you want to find yourself coming up upon in the next year?

[00:37:43 – 00:39:30]

Nicole: Nice. Okay. writing it down right now curve I love that actually somebody posted. This is actually i’ve had her on my guests on my my guests i’ve had her on my podcast before Mr now Wilson she was early early from last year, if you guys will go back and find that one too, but how we met was on instagram because she had posted a video.I’m like a side by side, like she reposted somebody’s dance video. So she’s doing the dance next to it, but she’s doing her bubbles. Like that’s showing up on the video talking about, um, and it’s called a real. So let me get with the times on her real talking about, um, Oh, how much debt she was in and she’s like, Oh, I’m in, you know, however, I forgot how much it was in debt, but it was, you know, more, it must’ve been more than a million or 5 million. I don’t know what it was in debt, but of course that’s good. Decks is a real estate investor. And so I reposted that and I kind of said, I’m working on getting in my, into more debt too, like 500, $5 million in debt is my goal. Like, so that’s my big, get my big problem. That’s the big problem that I wanted to get into at that time. And so she, she laughed at me, uh, reposting that laughed at my comment. And then we started talking to DMS and eventually like, you know, we’ve developed a relationship and now she got on a podcast. So you just never know how you’re going to meet people. And I think that was just like a great example of like, me wanting a big problem. Good. I can’t wait to see who’s going to answer this and what they’re going to say. That’s a good question. I love that. Um, I was going to ask you, tell our listeners how they can connect with you, but you just told them you are only on LinkedIn.

[00:39:31 – 00:40:10]

Christian: So you can find me on LinkedIn. You can send me an email. Okay. Send me an email at C bear, S E A B E A R real estate at gmail.com. Um, I’m always open and happy to talk to anyone and you know, everyone who’s, who’s interested in, and just connecting and learning more. Um, but yeah, again, you know, being an authentic version myself to tell you that you can’t find me anywhere else because I’m not really in social media, but, um, we’ll see if my new marketing campaign and, and advancing of my own personal brand decides to take me away from that, you know, your listeners will be the first ones to know.

[00:40:11 – 00:41:48]

Nicole: Okay. Definitely. Cause I’ll update the show notes quick in a hurry. So if you listen to this later, just check the show notes. Maybe there’ll be some more social media links in there. Thank you so much, Christian. This was really good. I’m so sorry. I apologize for taking so long and get you on the show.

Christian: Not at all, Nicole. And thank you for all that you’re doing. Not just in the outreach that you’re doing with the people that you know, but the people and the lives that you’re touching that, that you might not even know about yet. But you know, I, I ask everyone else that’s out there to continue to support the mission, support Nicole and what she’s doing. It’s an incredibly important one and one that I’m happy to be a part of. Thank you.

Nicole: Okay, everyone, make sure you do what C-Bear said earlier. Like, subscribe, comment, rate, review, wherever you’re listening, watching, all the things, right? So this can get out to more people because Christian’s conversation, like his information that he gave was just so like needed at this time. Like he touched so many things on like how to invest long distance, getting systems, the mindset, how to vet your team, partnering and picking people to partner with and looking at the other side and asking how you can help. Like literally he ran through the whole gamut and gave the whole playbook of how to do this. So re-listen to this, take multiple notes. Christian, the listeners and I really thank you again for coming on and sharing so much value and knowledge you really really share the wealth today.

Christian: Thank you very much. God bless.

Nicole: All right. Bye everyone. See you next time.

Outro:

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